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JW Euphemisms

by gubberningbody in

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shepherding = spying on, interrogating, hassling.

encourage = hassle, pester.

evidently = no logical segue, so we just assume it.

Crisis of Conscience

This is one of the most hilarious threads I've read in a while! So let me offer my contributions.

"Sacred service" - Anything classified with this title screams free labor without the hope of an unemployment check when they are thru with you and/or your job is done - whichever comes first

"Doing it for Jehovah" - Said to guilt you into doing ANYTHING, because it's not being done for men

"Inactive" - You weren't Jesus friend before and following his example, and this confirms it

"Low-hour publisher" - We're watching your numbers and your bringing down the company (congregation) average. How do we get a bonus this year? Oh wait, we don't get paid for this. But we still love to do it!

CoC

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When Elder's Fade

by zack in

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as a publisher, still buying the wt line that they were god's sole channel and any problems, doubts, etc... i had were all a product of my own lack of.

wisdom and or humility or failure of application, i would be shocked and puzzled at how long-time elders would resign and then fade away.

i would wonder: what could have happened.

Crisis of Conscience

I'm thankful for threads like this.

Once you've woken up, it helps to confirm that your feelings about the BS that happens behind the average publishers back are true. NO HOLY SPIRIT involved.

If only others could read and believe. But that damn Satan keeps blinding them! LOL

CoC

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relatively new

by TheLoveDoctor in

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stepped down in feb 2010 official around april.

i had time to read books which never really liked to read.

however if the subject intrest me thats diffrent.

Crisis of Conscience

Wow! I feel I am sort of in the same position you are. I stopped pioneering early this year but as of yet have not resigned as a MS. Not sure what I'm waiting for. I too became curious of why so called apostates felt the way they did. What was/is the WTS trying to hide? I haven't commented either since about May, not once. And I have been missing meetings a lot, which I rarely ever did. I am currently also reading "other" things, books exposing the WTS.

As far as my wife, she has actually become somewhat receptive recently.

I'm also a people person so it makes it difficult to just completely walk away. But a fade sounds good to me. And I could see myself making friends just fine with "wordly" people, as I get along well with pretty much everyone.

And yes, I believe that the "holy spirit" guides the brothers to make too many mistakes. It doesn't make sense.

Anyway, WELCOME!!

My advice: BE PATIENT. Read as many posts as possible regarding how people deal with their believing mates and the outcome. There are no guarantees, but it can help you to formulate a plan.

I wish you the best in your struggle.

CoC

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untitled

by Red Piller in

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Crisis of Conscience

Welcome Red Piller!

Pay close attention to the advice you get on this site. Especially that regarding patience. Every outcome is different.

But I know in my case, once I started to come across more calmly in my feelings, my wife's demeanor changed. She has actually softened her stance. Not that she was hardcore, but she did not want to listen to anything negative about the org at first.

Now she actually admitted that she gives thought to what I say and does not want to be a blind follower. She is interested in examining her beliefs a little closer. I'm hopeful - but again, every outcome is different.

I wish you the best. And be patient, please. Especially if your wife is not full out condemning you, or regardless.

CoC

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Wayne Brady, Bobby Brown, and Mike Tyson performing Bobby Brown's "Every Little Step."

by miseryloveselders in

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzyip_m5gkm.

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Crisis of Conscience

I just saw it on another site. Hilarious! Thanks miseryloveselders !

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MY FIRST POST!!!!!

by drewcoul in

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i have been reading this website for months now.

i am a born in who holds absolutely no animosity toward any witness.

i have had weeks and weeks of trouble trying to log in, but i'm here now.. long story short, i am one of 4 children who were raised as witnesses.

Crisis of Conscience

Welcome!! And thanks for listing the examples that only "apostates" could make up! LOL

It's not surprising that you saw the things you did over the years. The WTS would have us to believe that most of those things would never happen since keeping busy in the work helps you to stay focused. But those who are Awake! (no copywright infringement intended, LOL) know better.

Looking forward to reading more from you. Enjoy your time here!!

CoC

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Absolved

by watson in

the watchtower study today was unbelievable.

there is no longer any accountability for the boys at the top.

see paragraph 10, if you dare.. .

Crisis of Conscience

Here is what par. 10 says, thanks to Blondie's post here -

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/199463/1/Blondies-Comments-You-Will-Not-Hear-at-the-09-26-10-WT-Study-DEEP-THINGS

10 When the time comes to clarify a spiritual

matter in our day, holy spirit helps responsible

representatives of “the faithful and discreet slave”

at world headquarters to discern deep truths

that were not previously understood. (Matt. 24:45;

1 Cor. 2:13) The Governing Body as a whole considers

adjusted explanations. (Acts 15:6) What they

learn, they publish for the benefit of all.

(Matt.10:27) As time goes on, further clarifications

may be needed, and these too are

honestly explained.

CoC

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 09-26-10 WT Study (DEEP THINGS)

by blondie in

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.. the deep things of god.

comments.

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The conductor at the congregation I attend mentioned at least twice how humble and candid the GB is because - get this - they are willing to make adjustments as necessary!!

That holy spirit sure has a bad habit of fouling things up for the GB, and regularly because they have to keep making changes. And the only thing that becomes "clear" after an adjustment, is how confused they are!

I can usually deal with the BS being spit out from people's mouths at the meeting. But this really mad me sick and completely annoyed me. The blind folks at the hall just chuckled in agreement with the conductor, probably thinking about how right he was and how appreciative they are. But me - AGAIN - !!

Oh yeah, thanks Blondie for a great review!!

CoC

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Things That Matter and Things That Don't

by AllTimeJeff in

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being a jehovah's witness at any time and at any level is a major head f*ck.

the reason is that it obscures what is important and causes you to focus on what doesn't matter.. i've moved on from my jw experience.

it's a shame that i found myself a born in, taught to focus on things that don't matter.

Crisis of Conscience

Excellent thread Jeff! Thank you!

I think the area that many of us, who are in the struggle (including me), go wrong in is finding that balance - what matters and what doesn't.

Especially if we are people pleasers, it can be very difficult to distinguish when we are thinking about OUR happiness, and not that of others. Thinking about yourself and your needs is not ALWAYS being selfish. And not focusing on the things that don't matter and that could affect your life negatively is definitely not selfish.

The WTS would have you think the above to be a loose and permissive attitude. The funny thing is, at least on my behalf, once you put aside the silly thought that you CONTINUALLY have to put the interests of others, the interests of the kingdom (TM), etc., ahead of yours, then there is room to find true happiness, true contentment.

Yes, I said TRUE. Though still a regular attendee of "the meetings" (TM), the cutback I have made on my "spiritual activities" (TM) has actually brought me peace I have never felt before. I no longer find myself trying to please the world in worthless endeavors, mainly the organization. And I am doing more of the things that I want to do and that make me happy.

Thanks again for the food for thought, Jeff.

CoC

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Skeleton's Come Tumbling out of Bethel's Closet - Ray Franz- Book ISOCF

by flipper in

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my wife and i are towards the end ( finally ) of reading " in search of christian freedom " by ray franz .

( long book 728 pgs.

on pg.

Crisis of Conscience

When I was serving at Patterson, I recall asking why in the hillbilly we had locks on our doors. Can't or rather don't we trust all of our "brothers" there?

Well, I can testify to the truthfulness of what Ray said in his book as well as the former bethelites comments here.

I was given the warning of "sticky fingers" at Bethel.

What?!? Yes folks, I'm afraid it's true. It's somehting I had forgotten about until reading this thread. But I'm sure it's mentioned to all Bethel personell.

CoC